Part 1: Beyond Roswell - The Aztec & Kingman Crash Files (Richard Dolan)

Welcome to Part 1 of our deep-dive into the UFO Crash Retrieval phenomenon with special guest Michael Schratt.

Is the 1947 Roswell incident the only story that matters? Military aerospace historian Michael Schratt argues it's just the beginning. In this explosive first episode, Schratt opens his case files to reveal the stunning details of two alleged crash retrievals that have been buried for decades: the 1948 Aztec, New Mexico event and the 1953 Kingman, Arizona forced landing.

Using meticulously researched witness testimony and detailed technical illustrations, Schratt reconstructs these incredible events moment by moment. From oil workers discovering a 100-foot disc to the retrieval of 16 non-human bodies, this is the history you were never meant to hear.

*In this episode, we uncover:*
The complete timeline of the 1948 Aztec, NM retrieval.
How civilians allegedly gained entry into a 100-foot flying saucer.
Detailed descriptions of the craft's interior and its 16 alien occupants.
The secret military method used to transport the segmented craft to Los Alamos.
The shocking story of the Kingman, AZ, landing and the communication with its surviving pilot.

*Guest:* Michael Schratt, Military Aerospace Historian
*Host:* Richard Dolan, The Richard Dolan Show

(From an original 2019 archived interview)

*Show Notes:*

In this first installment of a special series, Richard Dolan is joined by military aerospace historian Michael Schratt to dissect the deeply classified history of UFO crash retrievals. This episode moves beyond Roswell to focus on two astonishing cases supported by decades of research and witness testimony.

*The Aztec UFO Incident (1948):*
Michael Schratt presents the findings of researchers Scott and Suzanne Ramsey, authors of "The Aztec UFO Incident." He details the alleged recovery of a nearly 100-foot diameter disc on March 25, 1948.
*The Craft:* A nearly perfectly intact vehicle with an aluminum finish, upper and lower domes, and unique porthole windows.
*The Discovery:* Four oil field workers discovered the craft before the military arrived, gaining access after accidentally triggering a door mechanism with a pole.
*The Occupants:* The craft is said to have contained 16 deceased non-human entities, approximately 4.5 to 5 feet tall, wearing one-piece blue flight suits.
*The Retrieval:* Schratt explains how the military allegedly found a way to disassemble the craft into three large "pie" segments for transport on M25 Tank Transporters to a secure facility (Los Alamos).

*The Kingman, Arizona Forced Landing (1953):*
The discussion then shifts to another remarkable event that occurred on May 18, 1953.
*The Landing:* This was not a crash, but a forced landing of a 30-foot diameter craft that remained fully intact.
*The Witness:* The primary witness, interviewed by veteran researcher Raymond Fowler, was Arthur G. Stansel, a high-level scientist assigned to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
*The Beings:* Four humanoid beings were found near the craft. According to Schratt, communication was established, and the "commander" agreed to cooperate on the condition that its crew would not be separated.

*Sources Mentioned in this Episode:*
Book: "The Aztec UFO Incident" by Scott Ramsey, Suzanne Ramsey, and Frank Thayer
Researchers: William Steinman, Gray Barker, Col. Wendelle Stevens (ret.), Harry Drew, Raymond Fowler



[Posted at the SpookyWeather2 blog, October 20, 2025.]